Dancing demons and other spirits

Rakshasa demon

The Left-hand Path, looking up to Tantra, embraces all aspects of reality, even the most "dark" ones.

And so, after growing up from rebellion against pretty much anything and after playing out all the teenager's disobedience, sooner or later a LHP follower encounters various spirits and is faced with a challenge to learn from them as an effective way of mastering the inner world... and in due time, transcending both Light ad Dark.

In Vedic and Tantric culture we have various entities that can be employed by a skillful Tantrika (practitioner of Tantric arts)  or magician:

• Pretas or hungry ghosts - souls of a deceased persons who were very devious in human life and had no purification ritual performed upon their passing.

Quite difficult to tame as they are very very miserable. They need help.

• Bhutas - souls of a newly dead who do nor realize they are dead or are still very attached to physical dimension.
  Basically they need help to move on; they can be very possessive and can cause great deal of trouble to humans.

• Karna Pishachini - spirits of some power that know a lot about the past, something about the present and little about the future, they can protect you, provide you with enough to eat and drink, help you with your sadhana; very jealous they are.
  Can be useful, obviously. Once magician has learned from them all they can teach, they ought to be removed.

• Yaksha / Yakshini  - they were advanced spiritual aspirants in dim past, now very powerful and skillful in spirit dimension; they can teach many things and can be white or black, meaning benevolent or harmful; Yakshini, a female spirit, can drive a man crazy by satisfying him sexually a lot more than any woman could and the same goes for male spirit, Yaksha, they can satisfy a woman so much that no human lover can come close.
  
  They can be made to enter a human body and take over it, enjoying sex with a magician. You can imagine how sweet that can be.
  
  Of course, this sounds like fun, doesn't it, but it is not so. Fooling around with these spirits is dangerous as they are notoriously difficult to remove. And, above all, this level of spirits is not really spiritual, meaning that themselves are not yet liberated and so they are still attached to duality and thus suffering.
  
  Many Yakshas and Yakshinis are of good nature and are attendants of minor deities.
  
  In the West, incubus and succubus belong to this class of spirits.
  
  The "black ones", I have dealt with this class of beings on several occasions; they are not easy to deal with and it takes a lot of help from more spiritual beings to resolve the situation. Not easy, not easy at all.

• Ghouls, Pishachas -  much like or the same as demons from the Western traditions.
  They can be difficult to deal with, especially when magician is not really up to the task at hand and pacts are involved. They have much power and can do most of anything, and can be dark and white.
  
  Here in the West we know them from books like Goetia, Grimorium Verum etc.
  These spirits have a hierarchy: Kings, Princes, Dukes, soldiers etc.
  I have had many thoroughly successful evocations with this class of spirits, they can be really helpful. Of course, many spirits in these books are deities (Astarte, Baal etc).

• Gandhaarvas, Kinnaras - celestial dancers and singers, akin to angels.
  They have a lot of knowledge and share it easily if they are pleased by you. They are much higher class of spirits and only benevolent.

• Rakshasas - powerful asuras (demons), shape-shifters, blood drinkers, flesh eaters, illusionists and sorcerers.
  They can be killed (read: transformed) only by (the help of) certain deities (we are told by the Vedas). They appear in old scripts, in Ramayana as Ravana and his brothers, in Mahabharata as Ghatotcacha etc.
  These asuras or demons are huge and yet hard to see as they don´t really like to show themselves to a magician in full. but if by some twist of faith you do succeed in "making friends" with such a dark being, you have an unsurpassed helper at your disposal.

In general, that is a list of major players in the spirit dimension from a Tantric perspective.

Beyond these spirits come perfected beings, Yoginis, Demi-gods and Gods and Goddesses and Siddhas. And working with them is even more difficult than dealing with any of the aforementioned spirits.


Before we close, here is a lovely description of the demons penned by Patrick G. (reposted from FB):

So, what do we know about Demons, they are dark, can appear menacing but also take on many other shapes, forms and appearances. They have their own morals and ethics; they have families, feelings, emotions. They are capable of expressing deep love and emotion. They can be cruel, heartless, menacing. They are tenacious and they can get the job done. They are focused, powerful, masters of themselves. They can be dangerous, primal, sexual, aggressive, and possessive. They can possess people; influence them to commit terrible acts. They can toy with the minds of the weak. They can heal people, attract money, opportunity, abundance and help with personal mastery and awakening of one’s true essence. They also have a hierarchy ... but that is another topic.

All Demons harbour within them a black energy. Most people do not have the eye to differentiate between the different types of black energy. Humans have darkness within their own energy field but it is seldom black. A sharp third eye can detect the various shades of darkness within the aura and see the difference. We all have dark energy within our being. It is this dark side that creates our balance. Most humans have dark shades of blue, purple or grey, but black is rare.

A Demon has a specific type of black energy. It is not an evil energy (though it can be used in that way) it is a beautiful black energy that is very powerful. This black energy even exists in the auras of some selective humans. Those few that have this energy in their auras are demonic in essence and have demonic ancestry. A human with this capability can learn to awaken and use this energy and is truly capable of some pretty amazing things.

Very well written, indeed!

King Paimon

Paimon Demonic Enn: 

Linan Tesa jedan Paimon

I have grown quite fond of Goetia magick over the years. Having been inspired and guided by my Kalika, I have performed several Goetia evocations that produced positive and surprising results.


Enter Paimon

Years back, after the successful Abramelin operation, I evoked the King Paimon in Goetia style for the first time. Having already gotten his allegiance in the Abramelin op., it was an easy and yet quite interesting ritual!

During our conversation, he offered to bind to me whomever I wanted, unconditionally. I declined. I did ask him to teach me Kabbalah and some other system of reality interpretation and he delivered big time!

His presence or influence after the ritual was very, very powerful, non-intrusive, and yet borderline obsessive. He has shown me his power no doubt.
I learned a lot, though, and my fairly developed claircognizance skyrocketed. I simply knew the most intimate secrets of others just by looking at them. It was not pretty.

Paimon is a really powerful angelic spirit, and I can not find anything dark, evil, or demonic about him or his abilities.

Quite the opposite. One of his abilities, as we can see in the texts below, is to confer dignity.

In my experience that translates not to blowing up ego trip, but to contributing to sincere, up close and personal dignity, self-respect, self-love, self-worth, and compassion towards one's intimate perception of self as a whole person. And only after dignity is experienced and enjoyed, only then can one offer real respect to others, in my opinion.

How many thousands or even millions of depressed people are out there, maybe mostly due to lack of said dignity! Well, Paimon has or IS the cure.

Be that as it may, with his 200 legions of spirits under his command (according to a number of men in one legion in ancient Rome, that's around one million spirits), Paimon really can and indeed does provide whatever one asks.

Sigil of Paimon

Various books share this info about this spirit:



Daemonolatry Goetia – S. Connolly [2010]
Seek Paimon to understand alchemy. Seek Paimon for creative pursuits or to design a plan of action.
Paimon can also help in emotional understanding.



Works of Darkness – E.A. Koetting [2007]
If a person needs to be swayed by demonic influence, King Paimon will assign as many familiars to the victim as needed, prodding and coercing day and night until the result is achieved.

King Paimon offers the practicality and the answer to the necessity that often carries the Dabbler to Black Magick’s door.

Being adept in many fields, Paimon can teach the Evocator the most advanced methods of science, art, physics, chemistry and astrology, as well as having the power to bestow titles and recognition upon the Sorcerer. Here, his knowledge and abilities will be used in a feat which most that have worked with him consider to be his forte: the subjugation of the mind and will of others.

In this, King Paimon has consistently demonstrated not only swift but also forceful and effective action.

Although once a working relationship with Paimon is cemented any imaginable influence may be effected, for this experimental Working your goal should be within reason yet dramatic enough that the success of it could be attributed to
nothing but the influence of King Paimon. A disliked coworker may be made to treat you differently for a day, an uninterested object of desire may be coerced into reciprocating the attention she’s given, a spouse may change an annoying habit, etc.



Luciferian Goetia – Michael W Ford [2007]
Paimon is an angel-daimon of Lucifer, whom appears as a man crowned upon a camel.
This spirit is a familiar of musick, thus by invoking Paimon one may work through an avenue of self-initiation through creating musick.
Paimon is a powerful Angelick King of the Witchcraft, whom has 200 Legions of spirits – half are the Orders of Angels, the others being Potentates. Paimon appears with two Spirit/Djinn – Label and Ablim who are referred to as Kings.

Paimon is perhaps one of the most significant Angelick Rulers, which along with Astaroth (whom is more bestial/demonic in nature and appearance) opens the way to the “Grail” of Lucifer’s crown – the perception of “I” and the mind separate from the universe. Paimon is a higher spirit of self-initiation, who is a path maker for ones own becoming.

Paimon sometimes appears as an angelick spirit with a flaming sword. His office is Guardian of the Path through Leviathan, the Guardian of the Depths and Subconscious.



The Book Of The Goetia Of Solomon The King [1904]
(9.) PAIMON – The Ninth Spirt in this Order is Paimon, a Great King, and very obedient unto LUCIFER.
He appeareth in the form of a Man sitting upon a Dromedary with a Crown most glorious upon his head.
There goeth before him also an Host of Spirits, like Men with Trumpets and well sounding Cymbals, and all other sorts of Musical Instruments.
He hath a great Voice, and roareth at his first coming,and his speech is such that the Magician cannot well understand it unless he can compel him.
This Spirit can teach all Arts and Science, and other secret things.
He can discover unto thee what the Earth is, and what holdeth it up in the Waters; and what Mind is, and where it is; or any other thing thou mayest desire to know. He giveth Dignity, and confirmeth the same. He bindeth or maketh any man subject to the Magician if he so desire it.
He giveth good Familiars, and such as can teach all Arts. He is to be observed towards the West.
He is of the Order of Dominations.
He hath under him 200 Legions of Spirits, and part of them are
of the Order of Angels, and the other part of Potentates.
Now if thou callest this Spirit Paimon alone, thou must make him some offering; and there will attend him two Kings called LABAL and ABALIM, and also other Spirits who be of the Order of Potentates in his Host,
and 25 Legions.
And those Spirits which be subject unto them are not always with them unless the Magician do compel them.
His Character is this which must be worn as a Lamen before thee, etc.



Dictionnaire Infernal [1863]:
Paymon is a king of hell who governs 200 legions,
half of them from the Angelic

Order, and half from the Order of Powers.
He appears as a man with a woman’s face riding a dromedary, and crowned with a headdress made with precious stones.
If Paymon is evoked by sacrifice or libation, he may appear accompanied by Bebal and Abalam.









Pseudomonarchia Daemonum [1577]
Paimon is more obedient in Lucifer than other kings are.
Lucifer is here to be understood he that was drowned in the depth of his knowledge: he would needs be like God, and for his arrogance was thrown out into destruction, of whom it is said;
Every precious stone is thy covering.

Paimon is constrained by divine virtue to stand before the exorcist; where he putteth on the likeness of a man: he sitteth on a beast called a dromedarie, which is a swift runner, and weareth a glorious crown, and hath an effeminate countenance.

There goeth before him an host of men with trumpets and well sounding cymbals, and all musicall instruments.
At the first he appeareth with a great cry and roaring, as in Circulo Salomonis, and in the art is declared.
And if this Paimon speaketh sometime that the conjuror understand him not, let him not therefore be dismayed.

But when he hath delivered him the first obligation to observe his desire, he must bid him also answer him distinctly and plainly to the questions he shall ask you, of all philosophy, wisdom, and science, and of all other secret things.
And if you will know the disposition of the world, and what the earth is, or what holdeth it up in the water, or any other thing, or what is Abyss, or where the wind is, or from whence it cometh, he will teach you abundantly.

Consecrations also as well of sacrifices as otherwise may be reckoned.
He giveth dignities and confirmations; he bindeth them that resist him in his own chains, and subjecteth them to the conjuror; he prepareth good familiars, and hath the understanding of all arts.

Note, that at the calling up of him, the exorcist must look towards the northwest, because there is his house.
When he is called up, let the exorcist receive him constantly without fear, let him ask what questions or demands he list, and no doubt he shall obtain the same of him.

And the exorcist must beware he forget not the creator, for those things, which have been rehearsed before of Paimon, some say he is of the order of dominations; others say, of the order of cherubim.
There follow him two hundred legions, partly of the order of angels, and partly of potestates.

Note that if Paimon is cited alone by an offering or sacrifice, two kings follow him; to wit, Bebal & Abalam, & other potentates: in his host are twenty-five legions, because the spirits subject to them are not always with them, except they be compelled to appear by divine virtue.

Paimon Demonic Enn: 

Linan Tesa jedan Paimon

See blog King Paimon (II.) >>

Astaroth

Original text from the Ars Goetia:

“The Twenty-ninth Spirit is Astaroth. He is a Mighty, Strong Duke, and appeareth in the Form of an hurtful Angel riding on an Infernal Beast like a Dragon, and carrying in his right hand a Viper.
Thou must in no wise let him approach too near unto thee, lest he do thee damage by his Noisome Breath. Wherefore the Magician must hold the Magical Ring near his face, and that will defend him.
He giveth true answers of things Past, Present, and to Come, and can discover all Secrets. He will declare wittingly how the Spirits fell, if desired, and the reason of his own fall. He can make men wonderfully knowing in all Liberal Sciences.
He ruleth 40 Legions of Spirits. His Seal is this, which wear thou as a Lamen before thee, or else he will not appear nor yet obey thee, etc. “



From the Luciferian Goetia by Michael Ford

“Astaroth appears as a hurtful angel who rides upon an infernal dragon. He is ghostly pale in color, something like a corpse with blackened eyes – no pupils. Astaroth also has long hair, and appears with a crown upon his head and a viper in his left (or right) hand, which are clawlike and bestial.
Astaroth is a high Luciferic angel, whom is a very powerful guardian spirit to invoke. Astaroth is uniquely balanced in nature – being a mix of angel and demon, thus is a model and initiatory force in the workings of the Angelic and Bestial Servitors – that in union the spirit proves a balanced articulation and representation of the self.
Astaroth governs 40 Legions of Spirits, and shadows forth ones own HGA/Angelic Familiar or initiator unto the path.
Astaroth has been known to initiate or lead one unto the Luciferian Path of selfdeification.“



From the Daemonolatry Goetia by S. Connolly

“A Daemoness of Divination. Invoke her for skrying especially. She is also a Daemoness of friendship and love and can help you find these things.”

Duke Dantalion

Original text from the Ars Goetia:

“The Seventy-first Spirit is Dantalion. He is a Duke Great and Mighty, appearing in the Form of a Man with many Countenances, all Men’s and Women’s Faces; and he hath a Book in his right hand.
His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one; for he knoweth the Thoughts of all Men and Women, and can change them at his Will. He can cause Love, and show the Similitude of any person, and show the same by a Vision, let them be in what part of the World they Will.
He governeth 36 Legions of Spirits; and this is his Seal, which wear thou, etc.”


From the Luciferian Goetia by Michael Ford

“He holds a grimoire in his right hand, which is a grimoire of the high art. Dantalion reveals the secret council or thoughts of others, which in an initiatory context means that Dantalion may provide the magician to begin to understand the common psychology of human thinking based on cause, body language, and such.
He can also cause the union of individuals that it may be probable, and a guide to other beautiful places in the world.”



From the Daemonolatry Goetia by S. Connolly

“Helps one relate with others on an emotional level. Teaches emotional intelligence and heightens empathy for others.”

Lilith: Ancient Demon, Dark Deity or Sex Goddess?

 Lilith and the Seven Deadly Sins
by LeGrebe

In some sources she's described as a demon, in others she is an icon who became one of the darkest deities of the pagans. Lilith is one of the oldest known female spirits of the world. Her roots come from the famous Epic of Gilgamesh, but she was also described in the Bible and the Talmud.

In Jewish tradition, she is the most notorious demon, but in some other sources she appears as the first woman created on Earth. According to a legend, God formed Lilith as the first woman. He did it in the same way as he created Adam. The only difference was that in place of pure dust, he also used filth and residue. Traditionally Lilith means ''the night'', and she is related to attributes connected with the spiritual aspects of sensuality and freedom, but also terror.


The ancient demon of Sumerians

Lilith’s name comes from the Sumerian word ''lilitu'', which meant a wind spirit or a female demon. Lilith was mentioned in the Tablet XII of the Epic of Gilgamesh, a famous poem of ancient Mesopotamia dated back to not later than c. 2100 BC. The tablet was added to the original text much later, c. 600 BC, in its later Assyrian and Akkadian translations. She appears in a magical story, where she represents the branches of a tree. She is described with other demons, but researchers still argue if she was a demon or a dark goddess. At the same time, she appeared in early Jewish sources, so it is difficult to find out who mentioned her first. However, it is obvious that from the beginning of her existence in the texts she was related to Sumerian witchcraft.

In the Babylonian Talmud, Lilith was described as a dark spirit with an uncontrollable and dangerous sexuality. She is said to have fertilized herself with male sperm to create demons. She is believed to be the mother of hundreds of demons.

Lilith was known in the culture of the Hittites, Egyptians, Greeks, Israelis, and Romans as well. In later times, she migrated to the north of the Europe. She represented chaos, sexuality, and she has been said to have cast spells on people. Her legend is also related to the first stories about vampires.



The wife of the biblical Adam

Lilith appears in the Bible, in the Book of Isaiah 34:14, which describes the desolation of Eden. From the beginning, she is considered as a devilish spirit, unclean, and dangerous. The Genesis Rabbah describes her as the first wife of Adam. According to the book, God created her and Adam at the same time. Lilith was very strong, independent, and wanted to be equal with Adam. She did not accept being less important than him and refused to lie beneath Adam for copulation. The marriage did not work and they never found happiness. As Robert Graves and Raphael Patai wrote in the book The Hebrew Myths:

''Adam complained to God: 'I have been deserted by my helpmeet' God at once sent the angels Senoy, Sansenoy and Semangelof to fetch Lilith back. They found her beside the Red Sea, a region abounding in lascivious demons, to whom she bore lilim at the rate of more than one hundred a day. 'Return to Adam without delay,' the angels said, `or we will drown you!' Lilith asked: `How can I return to Adam and live like an honest housewife, after my stay beside the Red Sea?? 'It will be death to refuse!' they answered. `How can I die,' Lilith asked again, `when God has ordered me to take charge of all newborn children: boys up to the eighth day of life, that of circumcision; girls up to the twentieth day. None the less, if ever I see your three names or likenesses displayed in an amulet above a newborn child, I promise to spare it.' To this they agreed; but God punished Lilith by making one hundred of her demon children perish daily; and if she could not destroy a human infant, because of the angelic amulet, she would spitefully turn against her own.''

Due to the misunderstandings and disappointments related to Lilith, God decided to create a second wife for Adam– Eve.


An icon for modern pagans and feminists

Nowadays, Lilith has become a symbol of freedom for many feminist groups. Due to the rising level of education, women started to understand that they could be independent, so they began looking for symbols of feminine power. She also started to be worshiped by some followers of the pagan Wicca religion, which was created in the 1950s.

This appeal was enhanced by artists, who took her on as a muse. She started to be a popular motif in art and literature around the Renaissance period, when Michelangelo portrayed her as a half woman, half serpent being. He presented her around the Tree of Knowledge, and increased the importance of her legend. With time, Lilith became more attractive for the imaginations of male artists like Dante Gabriel Rosetti, who created her image as the most beautiful female being of the world.

The author of ''The Chronicles of Narnia'', C.S. Lewis, was inspired by the legend about Lilith in the creation of the White Witch. She was beautiful, but dangerous and cruel. He mentioned that she was Lilith’s daughter and the she was determined to kill Adam and Eve’s children.

Less romantic pictures of Lilith appeared in the mind of James Joyce, who called her the patron of abortions. Joyce pushed Lilith into the feminist philosophy, and started the process of adopting her as a goddess of independent women in the 20th century.

When women started to receive more rights, they started to disagree with the man-concentrated vision of the world, including the Biblical story about the beginning of the life on Earth. The name of Lilith appears as a national literacy program in Israel and the title of a Jewish women's magazine. The ancient Sumerian legendary female demon is one of the most popular topics in feminist literature related to ancient mythology. Researchers still discuss if she was created as a real demon, or as an untrue warning of what may happen if women receive more power.

Image:
Lilith (1892) by John Collier in Southport Atkinson Art Gallery. ( Public Domain )


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Light in the Dark

First blog on our new website! Welcome!

I'd like to share what this aspect of my work, the LVX Ferre (Ars Heosphoros) website, is all about. What follows is my subjective view about what the Left-hand Path is and is not.

I will employ a bit of deconstructive criticism.


Growing up and waking up

There are many, many paths and the Left-Hand Path (LHP) is generally understood to deal with the dark aspects of existence.

Just like the Right-Hand Path might have its star followers (law-abiding, rules-following, God-fearing, avoiding sin out of fear, kind and polite out of duty, maintaining celibacy -- basically denying full inner freedom and power), so does the LHP:
45 years old adolescents who still rebel against any system, angry and hurt men who believe Satan is their angry God and vengeance will soon be at hand, sad women who were perhaps mistreated from day one and now (unaware) swear by the darkest of demons but in truth, all they want is to be noticed and loved, etc.

Nothing of the above has got anything to do with the LHP as I perceive it, for, generally speaking, two processes are going on in any given human life: 

- growing up (personal development) and 

- waking up (spiritual awakening).

The above cases are maybe ripe for a quality humanistic psychotherapy session, not LHP and Dark arts, in my opinion.

Why humanistic? Because individualization and self-actualization (meaning, growing up and becoming a responsible, healthy, and happy person without childish games of pointing fingers and rebelling or screaming for attention) is the goal of the humanistic approach. And humanistic psychology deals with the personal aspects of human awareness: nothing spiritual or transcendental or even remotely Dark there.

One has to learn to walk (by growing up) first before one can fly in the sky of spiritual awakening.


LHP drama 

Yes, many might join our ranks motivated by anger, pain, despair, and maybe find comfort in the company of other hurt and lonely people, probably desperately swearing their eternal allegiance to the "Dark and Wrathful Horned God" with little or no empirical knowledge of him whatsoever.

Engaging in the LHP can be, and indeed in many cases is, only a drama and a substitute for real-life; oftentimes the LHP club is merely a runaway strategy from deeper and mostly fucked up inner reality.

Is anything wrong with that? Nope.

So, what am I saying? That one has to be healed first to take the medicine? Nope.


Fire from within

To drive the points I'd love to make in this article right in, let us read this beautiful and touching poem (emphasis mine):


The Luciferian Witch

This religion is not your calling
Your insurrection is not a falling.
Seek culmination beyond the herd,
Your cultivation is self-conferred.
Azazel wants not your service,
Let not his presence make you nervous.
Satan is not our dark lord,
Nor a devil to be abhorred.
Not a source of quick reward,
But an arcane force to be explored.
Do not pray to Lucifer,
For that is not what He’d prefer.
Look inside to see the truth,
The black flame burns away uncouth.
Do not follow the path that is graveled,
But follow the one that is less traveled.
Find the demons deep therein,
Hail thyself!
Your power is within.

- Poem by John M Penkal, author of Truly Satanic vol 1. book.


 LHP is only a process

My point is that LHP is so, so much more than seeking solutions on the outside, angry rebelling, naively bowing to some leader of a "dark coven" and playing the role of a dark one, for the goal of LHP is the same as that of most other paths:
freedom, self-respect, love, liberty, strength, health, liberating spiritual insight, wisdom, and pure joy!

Dealing with inner personal shadow and working with "dark" spirits is not the point of the LHP in and by itself - it is JUST a path, a process, nothing more.

Granted, it is a path or process that can be quite challenging and even dangerous simply because it takes more dedication, sincerity, openness, common sense, and wisdom to even walk the path, let alone master it, but it is still only a process and only a path.

And a lot of LHP followers confuse the two: the goal and the path, meaning that many take darkness as the goal instead of only as a path. It gets really, really dark if one does that.

True answers, long-lasting solutions to the human thirst for happiness can not be given from the outside, not even by Lucifer or Satan, as the lovely poem above so clearly points out.

What do you think/feel?


Darkness is not the goal

And so, the LVX Ferre (Ars Heosphoros) website and this aspect of my work are about our inner potential, inner journey through Darkness to the Light, and beyond them both. It is not about the drama around the darkness and "dark paths". Other websites deal with that effectively and profitably, it seems.

LVX Ferre is about the road less traveled: it is about the goal of the LHP which leads beyond Light and Darkness, and which de facto fortifies and indeed actualizes personal and transpersonal responsibility and freedom of serious adepts.

It is about employing the Dark side of existence to make things more real, more down-to-earth, more up close and personal, moving from head/mind to the heart/soul.

'All in' is the motto around here; all in, meaning embracing everything and denying nothing without attaching oneself to the process, regardless.

Ἑωσφόρος Νύξ

You might also want to see Dark in the Light, here >>